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Post by CaptJack92a »

When I had vega strike for about 3 days befor geting rid of it, I noticed verry crude and adult pictures/content in the game and it's files.

Is this what this game was made with?!?!?!

Is ther a child safe vega strike? We have a kid who want's to play.
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welcome Pirate92 which images and files have offended your sense of dignity please elaborate.

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Post by CaptJack92a »

One of the pictures can be found in the loading screens whare a woman is standing in some kind of almost see through underware and many others are found in the games files and pictures


Basicly I do not wan't any pictures of girls unless they are fully clothed and are not posed in a crude manner.

Thank you for your quick reply.
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Post by rigelan »

There's two that I can think of. One is the advertisement for the pacifier, I'm pretty sure we all know that picture. Something about 'its not big enough for me'. Can't quote it exactly. Teh second is the advertisement for the movie with the man with the laser and two sweaty swim-suit bodied females behind him.

Its probably one of these that you found. And yes, it would be extremely easy to remove them. You just find the picture file they belong to and delete it. I'm not sure which ones they are at the moment, though
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Kinda hard to open the compressed pictures without the gimp plug-in but the offending files can be found in data4.x\animations\ and there names are splash_holovid.ani and splash_pacifier.ani so deleting those should do the trick if there are any more please post and we will show you how to get rid of it as well 8)

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Post by rigelan »

Oh, you'd probably want to delete the splash_travel too. Its got a couple of girls who look like they were at Marti Gras.
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Post by CaptJack92a »

I realy don't wan't to redownload it until you have one that is conpletely save inside and out.

I will not allow this content to be in my home for even 1 second.
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What we are saying is that you can change the game yourself so that it does conform to your preference those images are not considered rude by any other poster there is worse in your newspaper every day not to mention television.

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Post by Miramor »

FWIW those pictures appear to be removed in 0.5.

(Keep in mind that this is a game where you can trade liquor and porn, become a mercenary, and even engage in piracy if you feel like it. If it were a commercial project it would probably get the "Teen" ESRB rating. Perhaps it should be a bit more clear on the website, but it doesn't exactly make a pretense of being the kind of game you'd want your kids playing.)
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Post by ace123 »

No, those images are still here in the beta...

I think the reason you thought they were gone is because the splash screens show up so briefly with our fast texture loading system that they might as well not be there... another reason for removing them.

This should be resolved because this game is much much more friendly for kids than many other first person shooters that are released... and I would hate to see people not be able to play games like this on the basis of a few images.

Pirate92, You might want to check out the Privateer Gemini Gold game, which uses the Vega Strike engine, but is modeled after another old computer game and does not have any of the offensive splash screens (I played it as a little kid :-)).

I just spent two minutes looking over all the images in the data4.x directory, and these are the only ones that could be offensive:
holovids.jpg (cargo icon)
pleasure_borgs.jpg (cargo icon)
splash_holovid.jpg (splash screen)
splash_pacifier.jpg (splash screen)

Any ideas on this issue?
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Post by jackS »

There are many aspects of this game, both in content and gameplay, that some might find objectionable, including, but not limited to:

Slavery
Legal Recreational Drugs
Illegal Recreational Drugs
Religious cults
State religions (see: Rlaan)
Atheist societies
The eating of animal products being pleasant
References to individuals performing inter-species acts (see: Holovid description)
Organized crime
Cloning, genetic engineering and eugenics programs (see: Shapers)
Bureaucracies (and the inferred existence of taxes)

Backstory including:
Species enslavement
Genocide
Attempted xenocide
Terrorism
Political oppression

Interactions with other intelligent lifeforms including:
Going to their home systems, killing their civilians, and taking their resources

......


I am completely comfortable with anyone who is interested in doing so taking our content and producing from it a derivative work that they feel to be acceptable to the standards of their community or family. I do not feel that the content of VS would be in any way lessened by the existence of such packages. If I felt otherwise, I doubt I would be as interested in working on a project that rather explicitly allows people to use what we have created as a starting point for other or additional works.

However, it is not the responsibility of the developers and artists to censor our content for every possible objection that may arise. If people wish to catalog content that they find unbecoming, that seems a perfectly fine topic for a wiki page, and perhaps worth linking to in our "About" or some other informational page: clearly, the more information is available, the more people can make up their own minds as to what is proper for their particular situation.
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Post by nathanwest99 »

Oh come on,
he is clearly just trolling around.

Nobody can be this prude and this ...how should I say this... stupid? Stubborn?
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@nathanwest99 he may have been trolling but it still is a valid concern :wink:

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Post by rigelan »

Yeah, its still a valid concern. There are many people (me included) who actually do find this issue a big deal. And it doesn't really affect the content of vegastrike to remove such items. There isn't a huge storyline to affect anyway. These items are just splash screens and items to buy and sell in the cargo area. Simple changes.
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Doesnt concern me so far, i think killing / destroying Ships and even whole Stations is far "worse" than tradeing with "erotic" material or some splash-screens (which i personally like^^).

But i think its typical: Things explode, wars take place, theres news in the game about sectors taken by $faction who killed everyone there, and its ok for children.
But as soon as there is something that has to do with sex, people begin to cry for changes.

In my opinion, if you want to make the game suitable for children, remove the weapons, battleships, wars between the races and stuff, and the "sexual" content, so you get some space-trade-simulator. Personally i wont play this game anymore if it was so.

I might agree that theres a note placed somewhere, that this game might not be suitable for children and / or contains "sexual" stuff [images, cargo], so people know what they can expect ingame, but i find it wrong to say "killing is okay for my child, some girls in bikinis are not"

Seriously, no offense, but what is wrong with people who let their kids virtually kill, but think that the splash-screens are not suitable.

[Yeah, i know, i tend to repeat myself often :P]
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Post by loki1950 »

All that said this is OSS so a how to "child friendlify " in the wiki might be in order.Further speculation should occur in the OT forum before this thread gets out of hand :wink:

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Post by klauss »

It should be really easy to add a vssetup option to disable such content - at least with splash screens, it's trivial.
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I think we just lost a customer :P Seriously, I think pirate92 left.
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Post by Phlogios »

A totally politically correct game would suck, in my humble opinion.
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Post by klauss »

Well, to my opinion, with the exception of one (1) post (ehem... nathanwest...), the issue was dealt with in concordance to what anyone would expect of any kinf of OS support comunity: a DIY solution, and a very easy one at that.
So, if he left, if you ask me, he was either trolling or simply too touchy to be playing games of any modern kind.
Aside from that, there are people that would find those pictures inadequate for child games, and so an option in vssetup to disable that kind of content at the very least would be a good idea (ie: something readily available to anyone downloading the game).
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Post by loki1950 »

Thanks for the endorsement of my approach klauss :wink: so in the mean time my suggestion of a wiki article could address the issue in the DIY way which say offers thumbnails as a preview so that the user can make there own decision on the appropriateness of the image for there family of course it still may offend the prospective modifier him/her self i find that the commercial games that offer child friendly content as an option still push the line shall we say.and with the option there some parents are smart enough to know that anything they set there comp savvy kid can un set :wink:

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Post by klauss »

loki1950 wrote:anything they set there comp savvy kid can un set :wink:
It goes much further than that. "Comp savvy kids" can browse the net and find porn sites. IMO, stopping those kids from doing that is a matter of education rather than software security measures.
So... if you want an option to turn off X kind of content, I'm with you.
If you want a way to coerce a kid into a set of values, I'm not. I believe that if you're not able to imprint those values through education any amount of technology won't help.
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Post by jackS »

Given that "acceptability of content" is a multidimensional and non-monotonic value judgement, I think we need to be sure to look before we leap, and not skip directly to "solutions".

Some things we can do without having to try to formulate a particular sense of the appropriate:

Catalog the content (visual, textual, conceptual, and gameplay) -- it's probably worth listing even things that are fairly obvious and may seem innocuous to many (like: gameplay focuses heavily on combat between piloted spacecraft -- while it isn't hard to figure that one out, there are certainly people who aren't interested in playing such a game) -- such a catalog (ideally) shouldn't have to involve making meaningfully difficult decisions as to what is likely to be offensive or value judgements about particular pieces of the game or data set. We should be aiming for a list primarily of factual statements rather than opinions.

Determine, for various types of data/gameplay/whatnot what constitutes a general and reasonable mechanism for making it not appear, if such exists. Some mechanisms me be entirely configurable, others may require manual intervention (but can be readily documented), and others may be beyond the scope of the readily addressable. The key here is that general solutions are what are needed here, not specific solutions -- thus, even if there's a configurable setting for splash screen lists, if the lists are entirely pre-determined, it's not perhaps the most general solution. Consider not only the Vega Strike dataset here, but other potential users of the engine who may wish (for whatever reason) to have an option to remove all drug references from a Privateer data set, etc. At the least, if we have a portfolio of well-documented ways to prune content without breaking the game, then those truly interested in creating something customized to some particular palette will have the necessary tools without having to rely on the developers -- which is good, because we're already pretty busy :)
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Post by Phlogios »

How about just rating the game? Like, kids below 13 can't play it without parent's advisory or whatever it's called :P
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Post by Miramor »

Officially the rating wouldn't hold any water. However, some kind of unofficial advisory might be a good idea.
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