Compiling in Ubuntu

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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby chuck_starchaser » Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:18 am

LOL; I didn't know I could su foo. That's far better than switching users waiting 20 seconds for a login box...
Alright, thanks!, I'm all set now.
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby charlieg » Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:24 am

Yeah, the problem with acronyms is people's tendency to interpret them incorrectly. For a while I used to think 'su' meant 'super user' until I learnt it meant 'substitute user' (a synonym 'switch user').

The easy way to find out is: 'man su'. For any cryptic command, check the man page.
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby chuck_starchaser » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:58 pm

charlieg wrote:The easy way to find out is: 'man su'.
Speaking of which, haven't women complained about that, yet? :D
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby nphillips » Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:27 am

chuck_starchaser wrote:
charlieg wrote:The easy way to find out is: 'man su'.
Speaking of which, haven't women complained about that, yet? :D

No, no. The joke is:
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$ man woman
No manual entry for woman
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby JsnMtth » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:29 pm

Have the Ubuntu build issues been sorted out? If not could you summarize them and what versions of Ubuntu their known to affect?




On the man/woman at the command line subject... emacs has a man command and a women command. They both view manual pages, but the woman command shows them in color. I guess man is color blind.
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby chuck_starchaser » Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:14 am

The Ubuntu issue remains, for me at least.
I had this problem with Jaunty; and now again with Karmic.
The problem is with sound. Not sure if all sound or just music.

The music comes through as like randomly timed, millisecond snippets;
like rain on a tin roof, or crumbling a sheet of aluminum wrap, or like
throwing wet twigs into a white hot chimney fire; or like two dozen mad
telegraphists on steroids, or as an illegal firecracker manufacturing plant
at the very moment it reveals away its location without intending it.
Once in a while you can hear a wee bit longer snippet, maybe 1/16th of
a second long, just barely enough to recognize which musical piece is
playing, provided you know them well enough that you can tell them
form the sound of a piece of a single note.

The problem is not new. Nphillips said to me, about a week ago, that he's
always had problems with Vegastrike on Ubuntu, and that whenever he
plays VS or PU he runs the Windows binary on Wine, precisely to avoid
sound issues.

Many months ago I compiled from svn to try PU on Ubuntu -Jaunty.
Same thing; it compiled okay, but the music could not be heard almost
at all. Well, once every 20 seconds maybe there was a tiny blip of music.
But I remember I flew to Serenity and was trying to park there, and my
left wing scratched the door frame, and suddenly it was BANG!, a loud
metal sound. The station managers though that I was a member of a
terrorist organization and immediately sent defenders on the attack,
and their firepower was deafening. So, only the music was not working.
Right now I don't know; haven't been looking for trouble.
Maybe I'll try it first thing tomorrow.

Klauss was telling me, months ago, that the current sound system is
extremely bad in its use of memory. To play a song it needs to uncompress
the entire track into ram, which may be 200 megs, easily. Not sure if that
would have something to do with the problem... I have 2 gigs installed.
But then again, maybe the sound chip could use an interrupt line, or a
spare dma, or both, but nasty Ubuntu likes to play mind games with it.
Another possibility is that Ubuntu may be configured in some weird
way by default. I look at the sound settings and it's all Greek to me.
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby JsnMtth » Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:36 am

Your problem IMO is something I call Ubuntuness. I like that distro slightly more than SUSE, but not much. I've seen all kinds of random failings. It's like they wanted windows converts to feel at home or something.

We'll start with a basic vanilla install What is the version number your using? I don't keep up on the nicknames. Once it goes well on my test system and if it doesn't go well on yours, we'll need to look at what is and isn't installed as well has hardware.
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby chuck_starchaser » Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:50 am

JsnMtth wrote:Your problem IMO is something I call Ubuntuness. I like that distro slightly more than SUSE, but not much. I've seen all kinds of random failings. It's like they wanted windows converts to feel at home or something.
We'll start with a basic vanilla install What is the version number your using? I don't keep up on the nicknames.
Took me a while to find it...
About Ubuntu wrote:Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings!
You are using Ubuntu 9.10 - the Karmic Koala - released in October 2009 and supported until April 2011.
Not sure if I'm a human being, though; can't find an "About chuck_starchaser".
Once it goes well on my test system and if it doesn't go well on yours, we'll need to look at what is and isn't installed as well has hardware.
Won't go well in your system; I bet. Many have tried...
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby nphillips » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:00 am

Sound is actually working pretty well for me...though I'm using KDE....previously, I was in Gnome, where the issues occurred. There's something with Gnome's sound server that screws with VS's audio.

FYI, you're using Gnome, chuck.

And Jsn: Ubuntu's goal could be vaguely described as making the transition from Windows an easy one. That's definitely an underlying value for them, even if unspoken. But frankly, if it hadn't been for the changes that Ubuntu has pushed in the last few years, Linux would, in all likelihood, remain a hardcore hacker's OS. Two years ago, I would have never subjected my non-technical wife to linux on her laptop. Now, she's running Karmic, with zero problems, and only a tiny learning curve (focused primarily on her iPod, but that's because of proprietary Apple garbage, not Ubuntu)
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby JsnMtth » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:40 am

nphillips wrote: Ubuntu's goal could be vaguely described as making the transition from Windows an easy one. That's definitely an underlying value for them, even if unspoken. But frankly, if it hadn't been for the changes that Ubuntu has pushed in the last few years, Linux would, in all likelihood, remain a hardcore hacker's OS. Two years ago, I would have never subjected my non-technical wife to linux on her laptop. Now, she's running Karmic, with zero problems, and only a tiny learning curve (focused primarily on her iPod, but that's because of proprietary Apple garbage, not Ubuntu)


I know, forgive my rant. I've tried really hard to like Ubuntu. We tried a couple different systems at the office, and I ran it on my laptop for a few months after Debian didn't work out well (the laptop has quirky hardware). My coworker loves it and runs it on his system at work and his laptop. They are doing good things with it.

@chuck
Ubuntu 9.10 - the Karmic Koala, OK I'll install it and build vegastrike on it tonight. I think nphillips is right about the sound server. That version of Ubuntu had issues with it (so did earlier version of Fedora). It might have to do with some conflicting packages that have been installed.
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby JsnMtth » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:49 am

Chuck,
Are you using a 32 or 64 bit distro?

run:
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lsb_release -a


It should tell me exactly what distro you have installed.

on my system:
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[jason@jsnmtth ~]$ lsb_release -a
LSB Version:   :core-3.1-amd64:core-3.1-noarch:core-3.2-amd64:core-3.2-noarch:desktop-3.1-amd64:desktop-3.1-noarch:desktop-3.2-amd64:desktop-3.2-noarch
Distributor ID:   Fedora
Description:   Fedora release 11 (Leonidas)
Release:   11
Codename:   Leonidas
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby chuck_starchaser » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:58 am

JsnMtth wrote:Chuck,
Are you using a 32 or 64 bit distro?


64

run:
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lsb_release -a


It should tell me exactly what distro you have installed.

on my system:
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[jason@jsnmtth ~]$ lsb_release -a
LSB Version:   :core-3.1-amd64:core-3.1-noarch:core-3.2-amd64:core-3.2-noarch:desktop-3.1-amd64:desktop-3.1-noarch:desktop-3.2-amd64:desktop-3.2-noarch
Distributor ID:   Fedora
Description:   Fedora release 11 (Leonidas)
Release:   11
Codename:   Leonidas
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No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID:   Ubuntu
Description:   Ubuntu 9.10
Release:   9.10
Codename:   karmic
I'll try installing lsb modules, whatever that is.
Be right back...
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby JsnMtth » Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:02 pm

Thats everything I needed. Thanks! I'll download and install it.

Going out with some family today, so I'll be getting at it this evening.
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby chuck_starchaser » Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:13 pm

Here we go:
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> lsb_release -a
LSB Version:   core-2.0-amd64:core-2.0-noarch:core-3.0-amd64:core-3.0-noarch:core-3.1-amd64:core-3.1-noarch:core-3.2-amd64:core-3.2-noarch:core-4.0-amd64:core-4.0-noarch:cxx-3.0-amd64:cxx-3.0-noarch:cxx-3.1-amd64:cxx-3.1-noarch:cxx-3.2-amd64:cxx-3.2-noarch:cxx-4.0-amd64:cxx-4.0-noarch:desktop-3.1-amd64:desktop-3.1-noarch:desktop-3.2-amd64:desktop-3.2-noarch:desktop-4.0-amd64:desktop-4.0-noarch:graphics-2.0-amd64:graphics-2.0-noarch:graphics-3.0-amd64:graphics-3.0-noarch:graphics-3.1-amd64:graphics-3.1-noarch:graphics-3.2-amd64:graphics-3.2-noarch:graphics-4.0-amd64:graphics-4.0-noarch:qt4-3.1-amd64:qt4-3.1-noarch
Distributor ID:   Ubuntu
Description:   Ubuntu 9.10
Release:   9.10
Codename:   karmic
>


EDIT:
JsnMtth wrote:Thats everything I needed. Thanks! I'll download and install it.

Going out with some family today, so I'll be getting at it this evening.

Posted at the same time.
Cool.
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby JsnMtth » Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:36 pm

I've got Ubuntu 9.10 installed. So far I'm really impressed with it. I may just port over RedHat's Firewall system and Text-Mode run-level keep it. My Data is copying over, then I'll put up the build system and get to work.
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby JsnMtth » Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:17 pm

Sound works on a vanilla install without update. Running an update now.
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby JsnMtth » Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:32 pm

Sound works after update.

Chuck,
install apt-show-versions
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sudo apt-get install apt-show-versions


Then run it at the command line redirecting it's output to a file.

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apt-show-versions > chucks_ubuntu_packages.txt


Send me the file by post or email, whichever is better for you.
I'll install whatever you have installed, then I'll rebuild vegastrike and see if the sound breaks.
If it doesn't then we'll need to deal with the hardware issues on your system.
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby chuck_starchaser » Fri Jan 01, 2010 7:07 pm

It's in the mail.

(Just had a major crash while switching users.)
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby chuck_starchaser » Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:22 pm

After many emails and experiments, my system seems to be working perfectly now.
No problem at all anymore with Vegastrike's sound.
Thanks Jason!

I think it would be good to add a footnote to the installation instructions in the wiki
about Ubuntu sound blues, and how to fix them.
I think the first step, IIRC, was to
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pulseaudio --kill

then running vegastrike again. That semi-fixed the problem temporarily, but at least
it's an experiment people can do to find out if pulseaudio is the culprit.
I'd do the Wiki edits myself, but
a) I don't know the subject, and
b) My log-in for the wiki got borked in the upgrade to phpBB3
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby JsnMtth » Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:43 pm

Your welcome Chuck, I'm glad that worked!
Don't forget we made changes to your pulseaudio configuration, and that the issue was related to your previous install. Did you see the log entries that pointed to the issue?
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby chuck_starchaser » Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:54 pm

I didn't; I merely sent you the files you asked me for. I noticed they were several K each, so I figured there was not a chance I'd know what to look at if I opened them. But in any case, there's been at least one other person in this forum, and at least another person at the PU forum, plus nphillips, that had problems with VS audio in Ubuntu; and I'd bet it's pulseaudio. I think the issue deserves a wiki entry. No?
...and that the issue was related to your previous install

If by that you mean that my previous install was borked; I agree; I had the same problem when I compiled VS in Jaunty, many months ago.
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby JsnMtth » Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:10 pm

I'm not saying it doesn't deserve a wiki entry. I just wanted to make sure that the issue gets covered.

The Log Entry:
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Jan  1 22:38:26 kar pulseaudio[2465]: alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write!
Jan  1 22:38:26 kar pulseaudio[2465]: alsa-sink.c: Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_intel8x0'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers.
Jan  1 22:38:26 kar pulseaudio[2465]: alsa-sink.c: We were woken up with POLLOUT set -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail() returned 0 or another value < min_avail.

This entry makes clear that something is either trying to read or write to or from data that doesn't exist (probably a misconfiguration) Chuck's system was an "upgrade" from a previous ubuntu distribution, using the same version of pulseaudio as my working clean ubuntu distribution (both 9.10 Karmac). I googled the first log entry above excluding the time and PID and found: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+sour ... bug/329620
Although it's marked as a duplicate, Entry number eight proposed a working solution
Try adding "tsched = 0" to /etc/pulse/default.pa under the hal-detect module. More info at the end of this article:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GlitchFreeAudio

It fixed my audio problems and the messages. Clearly it's exposing a bug somewhere.

I realized that the problem is with the software have been fixed, and that chuck was missing hal-detect from his configuration.

This was in the /etc/pulse/default.pa files
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### Load audio drivers statically (it's probably better to not load
### these drivers manually, but instead use module-hal-detect --
### see below -- for doing this automatically)


This is the diff between your file and my file(my file is from Fedora 11)
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diff default.pa /etc/pulse/default.pa
29d28
< load-sample-dir-lazy /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo
53,54c52,53
< .ifexists module-udev-detect.so
< load-module module-udev-detect
---
> .ifexists module-hal-detect.so
> load-module module-hal-detect
57c56
< ### lack udev support)
---
> ### lack HAL support)
104,106d102
< ### Honour intended role device property
< load-module module-intended-roles
<
118c114
< #load-module module-cork-music-on-phone
---
> load-module module-cork-music-on-phone


So we replaced chucks default.pa with mine. The important part is probably that the hardware abstraction layer got the locations right where udev didn't. Probably the configuration was preserved from Jaunty. I'll check it on my system tonight and see if I can break it.

Back your original up first

My default.pa
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#!/usr/bin/pulseaudio -nF
#
# This file is part of PulseAudio.
#
# PulseAudio is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it
# under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
# PulseAudio is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but
# WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU
# General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU Lesser General Public License
# along with PulseAudio; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation,
# Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA.

# This startup script is used only if PulseAudio is started per-user
# (i.e. not in system mode)

.nofail

### Load something into the sample cache
#load-sample-lazy x11-bell /usr/share/sounds/gtk-events/activate.wav
#load-sample-lazy pulse-hotplug /usr/share/sounds/startup3.wav
#load-sample-lazy pulse-coldplug /usr/share/sounds/startup3.wav
#load-sample-lazy pulse-access /usr/share/sounds/generic.wav

.fail

### Automatically restore the volume of streams and devices
load-module module-device-restore
load-module module-stream-restore
load-module module-card-restore

### Automatically augment property information from .desktop files
### stored in /usr/share/application
load-module module-augment-properties

### Load audio drivers statically (it's probably better to not load
### these drivers manually, but instead use module-hal-detect --
### see below -- for doing this automatically)
#load-module module-alsa-sink
#load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:1,0
#load-module module-oss device="/dev/dsp" sink_name=output source_name=input
#load-module module-oss-mmap device="/dev/dsp" sink_name=output source_name=input
#load-module module-null-sink
#load-module module-pipe-sink

### Automatically load driver modules depending on the hardware available
.ifexists module-hal-detect.so
load-module module-hal-detect
.else
### Alternatively use the static hardware detection module (for systems that
### lack HAL support)
load-module module-detect
.endif

### Automatically load driver modules for Bluetooth hardware
.ifexists module-bluetooth-discover.so
load-module module-bluetooth-discover
.endif

### Load several protocols
.ifexists module-esound-protocol-unix.so
load-module module-esound-protocol-unix
.endif
load-module module-native-protocol-unix

### Network access (may be configured with paprefs, so leave this commented
### here if you plan to use paprefs)
#load-module module-esound-protocol-tcp
#load-module module-native-protocol-tcp
#load-module module-zeroconf-publish

### Load the RTP reciever module (also configured via paprefs, see above)
#load-module module-rtp-recv

### Load the RTP sender module (also configured via paprefs, see above)
#load-module module-null-sink sink_name=rtp format=s16be channels=2 rate=44100 description="RTP Multicast Sink"
#load-module module-rtp-send source=rtp.monitor

### Load additional modules from GConf settings. This can be configured with the paprefs tool.
### Please keep in mind that the modules configured by paprefs might conflict with manually
### loaded modules.
.ifexists module-gconf.so
.nofail
load-module module-gconf
.fail
.endif

### Automatically restore the default sink/source when changed by the user during runtime
load-module module-default-device-restore

### Automatically move streams to the default sink if the sink they are
### connected to dies, similar for sources
load-module module-rescue-streams

### Make sure we always have a sink around, even if it is a null sink.
load-module module-always-sink

### Automatically suspend sinks/sources that become idle for too long
load-module module-suspend-on-idle

### If autoexit on idle is enabled we want to make sure we only quit
### when no local session needs us anymore.
load-module module-console-kit

### Enable positioned event sounds
load-module module-position-event-sounds

### Cork music streams when a phone stream is active
load-module module-cork-music-on-phone

# X11 modules should not be started from default.pa so that one daemon
# can be shared by multiple sessions.

### Load X11 bell module
#load-module module-x11-bell sample=bell-windowing-system

### Register ourselves in the X11 session manager
#load-module module-x11-xsmp

### Publish connection data in the X11 root window
#.ifexists module-x11-publish.so
#.nofail
#load-module module-x11-publish
#.fail
#.endif

### Make some devices default
#set-default-sink output
#set-default-source input


Set it's permissions properly:
chown root:root /etc/pulse/default.pa
chmod 644 /etc/pulse/default.pa

Then restart your pulseaudio server as the logged in user:
pulseaudio --kill
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby chuck_starchaser » Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:40 pm

Actually, I tried pulseaudio --kill after the default.pa update and it didn't work.
It was after reboot that it worked (for the first time ever).
But now I tried vegastrike again and the problem was back.
I tried pulseaudio --kill, and it doesn't fix it.
Looks like it only works after a fresh reboot.
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Re: Compiling in Ubuntu

Postby JsnMtth » Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:15 pm

replace
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load-module module-hal-detect


with
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load-module module-hal-detect
tsched = 0


and reboot. That doesn't fix it than we'll look at ALSA, The non-duplicate thread pointed to that (so did your error)
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