A call for Garbage

Ryder P. Moses · Post by **Ryder P. Moses** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:52 am

You gotta love 3d compatibility standards. None of this highfalutin 'portability' crap that images have, make every program completely unable to read the output of every other program!

If the .obj doesn't work in Blender, I'm not sure what to do. There's plenty of other formats I can output to, but none that I'm willing to bet preserve texture coords.

Post by **chuck_starchaser** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:39 am

Alright, going to bed now, but tomorrow I'm gonna open the .obj in notepad and take a hard look at it. Must be something stupid. Most things are.

Post by **chuck_starchaser** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:59 pm

SUCCESS! Blender opened the .obj no problem, so I saved as a .blend file, quit, opened the .blend file again, and exported to .obj. Now mesher doesn't crash. I'll try to put it into VS now.

Post by **chuck_starchaser** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:33 am

FAILURE!

For some reason the hole pile of crap got turned into a neat box. Must be all that pesky negative entropy Schroedinger was talking about...

What's worse, most of the time the rendering stops, as if the engine
had crashed, but the music and sound effects keep going. This happens
when looking straight at the damn monolith. Took a lot of failed attempts
to get a screenshot. Even when I was thousands of kilometers away,
looking at it stopped the rendering, and it would come back to life only
once the ship turned enough that it was off the screen...

Ryder P. Moses · Post by **Ryder P. Moses** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:39 am

Dunnn... DUNN... DUN DUNNNNNN! (boom boom boom boom boom boom)

Maybe if you fly up and touch it with your ship you'll realize what the problem is.

Try leaving it in Xmesh for now and see what happens. If you're still getting that problem, it should at least be easy to track down the source quicker that way. It may just be that the rendering engine doesn't like open geometry, and in trying to close an imagined hole in it by covering the whole thing.

I give it 9:2 odds the game doesn't even boot up then, actually, or that some similarly unenlightening problem happens.

Post by **chuck_starchaser** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:54 am

Going to the store; I'll try xmesh when I'm back; I don't think it's going to make any diff; maybe it'll crash, because the version of mesher I have is newer than my VS cvs sources... Hmmm.... could that be the prob?
I've a suspicion this has to do with the number of objects in the file... Maybe I need to read the instructions how to use mesher...
Here's the files if you want to look at them meantime

http://www.deeplayer.com/dan_w/garbage/junk.zip

Ryder P. Moses · Post by **Ryder P. Moses** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:06 am

The number of objects shouldn't make any difference, I treated them all as one subobject so unless you broke 'em up again they should be fine. I'm thinking it has more to do with the single-face planes you used- a lot of renderers don't do two-sided faces, and that might be part of what we're seeing here.

Post by **chuck_starchaser** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:28 am

Yeah, I just tried using the xmesh file and same thing. I also tried touching it and failed; flew right thru. We could turn it into a fly-thru junk food joint.

It could be what you say but I doubt it, somehow. If the junk was there but polygons were visible only from one side; that much I would expect; but they don't show AND we got a cube instead... I never liked cubism... Luckyly it played zaydana's music so I didn't mind that much. I love that piece.

Ryder P. Moses · Post by **Ryder P. Moses** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:51 am

Wierd. I got no idea.

Post by **chuck_starchaser** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:53 am

Me neither...

Ryder P. Moses · Post by **Ryder P. Moses** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:54 am

Wierd. I got no idea.

Post by **chuck_starchaser** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:31 am

I tried it as a primary station; before I had it as a subunit of the space elevator station, just for convenience. Didn't make a difference, except that now I can crash against it and die, and it has green squares for docking floating around, and it gets attacked by pirates; but otherwise same thing.

Post by **chuck_starchaser** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:34 am

Hey, wait a minute; this xmesh file looks a bit too small...

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<Mesh scale="1.000000" reverse="0" forcetexture="0" sharevert="0" polygonoffset="0.000000" blend="ONE ZERO" alphatest="0.000000"
texture="crapDiffuseMap.jpg" texture1="crapSpecularMap.jpg" >
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Just by looking at the numbers I can tell it's a cube...

Ryder P. Moses · Post by **Ryder P. Moses** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:40 am

Ahahahaha.

'Kay, I'll try running it through Wings and see if I get any love. My hopes aren't high, but hey, at least it won't be anything that wierd.

Post by **chuck_starchaser** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:43 am

Now, when I look at the .obj file, it starts like....

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# Blender OBJ File: junk.blend
# www.blender.org
mtllib junk2.mtl
o (null)_(null)
v 37.599998 -23.400000 -35.799999
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v 38.500000 -23.400000 -35.700001
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v 38.500000 -24.500000 -35.700001
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v 37.599998 -23.400000 -35.799999
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v 35.200001 -24.500000 -34.700001
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v 34.900002 -24.500000 -32.500000
v 34.7999

And the vertex list goes for like 100 pages, then the texture coord list is also humongous, and the normals, and the faces, all gargantuous; but then then it ends like...

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f 3329/63/2518 3330/97/2519 3323/95/2512
f 3330/97/2519 3324/97/2513 3323/95/2512
f 3330/97/2519 3331/69/2520 3324/97/2513
f 3331/69/2520 3327/106/2516 3324/97/2513
f 3332/100/2521 3333/101/2522 3329/100/2518
f 3333/70/2522 3330/70/2519 3329/9/2518
f 3333/101/2522 3334/104/2523 3330/101/2519
f 3334/104/2523 3331/104/2520 3330/101/2519
f 3335/28/2524 3336/67/2525 3333/23/2522
f 3335/28/2524 3333/23/2522 3332/79/2521
f 3336/67/2525 3337/68/2526 3334/73/2523
f 3336/67/2525 3334/73/2523 3333/23/2522
f 3336/101/2525 3335/100/2524 3326/100/2515
f 3336/101/2525 3326/100/2515 3325/101/2514
f 3337/104/2526 3336/101/2525 3325/101/2514
f 3337/104/2526 3325/101/2514 3328/104/2517
o Cube_Cube
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usemtl (null)
s off
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f 3342//2528 3345//2528 3344//2528 3343//2528
f 3338//2529 3342//2529 3343//2529 3339//2529
f 3339//2530 3343//2530 3344//2530 3340//2530
f 3340//2531 3344//2531 3345//2531 3341//2531
f 3342//2532 3338//2532 3341//2532 3345//2532

Now that "o cube..." is an object. The o at the start of the file reads (null), whatever that means; but there should be like 93 objects...

Ryder P. Moses · Post by **Ryder P. Moses** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:55 am

Let's see... O is "object" which means that that the main object (that is to say, all the junk) is recorded as null- possibly as in 'don't render me' like Hidden objects in Max... maybe, or something. The null at the end of the cube descriptor is talking about materials, as in untextured cube...

Try deleting the cubey bits and changing those nulls at the beginning. I'm not sure what to, try just Crap_Crap or something

Post by **chuck_starchaser** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:55 am

Just checked the file I sent you has multiple objects.

Post by **chuck_starchaser** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:56 am

Here's a piece of the file I sent you, about 5% of the beginning...

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# Blender OBJ File: scalable5.blend
# www.blender.org
mtllib scalable5.mtl
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v 3.

I think something at your end caused all the objects to become merged.

Excuse. I think the cube is my fault, actually. Let me try some.

Post by **chuck_starchaser** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:03 am

Yep; the cube is my fault; all the other objects being merged into one is yours; and the fact they don't show up but crash Vegastrike is God's.

Ryder P. Moses · Post by **Ryder P. Moses** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:04 am

Yeah, the one-object thing I can fix. I think. Maybe. I'm not sure if it'll break the UV-mapping or not. But hey, one way to find out.

Post by **chuck_starchaser** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:11 am

That's the spirit. If it does break the uv, try and see if you can fit the objects uv's in the little squares in this texture; and leaving the nine in the top left as they are, without mappings except the first one at the corner, so we can do the paper textures thingy. So, all the paper-like objects get mapped together to the top left corner, and the other objects mapped to all the small squares and the 3 bigger ones below the 9 paper textures.

Ryder P. Moses · Post by **Ryder P. Moses** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:34 am

Fix'd.

Presumably.

Well, at least that bit is.

Why aren't there attachments in this forum, probably the only one that actually needs the feature?

Post by **chuck_starchaser** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:13 am

Nope. They are still one object. Open it with notepad and ctrl-F 'o', you'll see.

RE: attachments.
Scourgeforge doesn't allow them, I think, or impose some quotas. Another reason we should be spending a few bucks and moving to a private sector server.

Ryder P. Moses · Post by **Ryder P. Moses** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:15 am

Well, crap.

I can break 'em into different groups, but then there's no 'o' tag at all. Wanna try that?

Post by **chuck_starchaser** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:18 am

Take... these broken wings...