Taglines and logos and officialness, oh my :)

Post by **jackS** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:56 am

There appears to be general agreement that our existing logo is bland, and that the existing tag text "Vega Strike the 3D Space Simulator that allows you to trade and bounty hunt in a vast universe. Can you face the dangers and decisions that await..." is... well you know that saying about how when you don't have anything nice to say you should say nothing at all? Yeah.

So, before too much further work is done on logos, I think we should settle the matter of the replacement text to accompany it.

The development team is leaning towards the form

INTROTEXT
VegaStrike (as logo)
TAGTEXT

as exemplified by our current top contender(with VegaStrike filling in for the name-as-logo):

Before success must come survival
VegaStrike
The Void Beckons

Please let us know if you have any strong feelings for or against this choice.

Other suggestions for a poster/logo/header text include:

strangelet

VegaStrike
TALES OF THE VOID

Pincushionman

VegaStrike
. C O N Q U E R . S P A C E .

VegaStrike
Fight. Trade. Explore. WIN.

Dual

VegaStrike
Trade : Explore : Fight

Charlieg

VegaStrike
Adventure into the Void.

Silverain

VegaStrike
Adventures of the Void

CubOfJudah'sLion

VegaStrike
Legends of the Void

None of the above make use of an intro, but it's just as valid to use just tag or just intro as to use both, provided they still convey whatever message is desired. Likewise, whatever text is used can be either incorporated into the logo (becoming more a poster than logo at that point, but that's fine by me - almost certainly makes a better web-header that way) or kept visually distinct. In either case, it might prove nice to have either a textless or perhaps a distinct and more symbolic logo for VS to use in addition to a logofied name (think Golden arches vs. the normal stylized [Golden Arches]cDonald's ) - but that's a digression from the discussion of text

Some of these, "Adventures of the Void", "Legends of the Void" and "Tales of the Void" seem more suited as candidates for a subtitle rather than taglines due, in part, to their not being verb phrases.

Post by **dandandaman** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:23 am

Although I could live with The Void Beckons, in my opinion it comes second best to strangelet's Tales of the Void.

But, I appreciate that it is kindof short, and could do with an intro ... so I came up with a couple.

Odyssey version:

One man's journey is another man's epic.
Vegastrike
TALES OF THE VOID

Grandiose Version:

One man's life is another man's legend.
Vegastrike
TALES OF THE VOID

Noir Version:

One man's struggle is another man's story.
Vegastrike
TALES OF THE VOID

My preference is in reverse order (last I like best). Namely because the player's adventures are unlikely to be that high profile, and I believe the game will retain the noir feel it has, rather than a grandiose 'star trek' feel.

So, that's my preference (by a long margin over the suggested):

One man's struggle is another man's story.
Vegastrike
TALES OF THE VOID

Dan.a

Silverain · Post by **Silverain** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:45 am

Before success must come survival
VegaStrike
The Void Beckons

I think I favour this overall.

'Before success'
Implying achievement in whatever you do - merc, pirate, merchant, enforcer etc.

'must come survival'
You have to survive in a hostile universe to make your acheivement.

'VegaStrike'
Well, it is our name. A good logo needed.

'The Void Beckons'
Void - space. Very open ended. No adventures/tales limiting the game to storytelling/linear game.

Dan.a's suggestions (to me) would be great for the comic.

Post by **jackS** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:48 am

well, perhaps to clarify -

I really don't think "Tales of the void" is a tagline. It's a subtitle. Given that the title "VegaStrike" is rather low in semantic content, a subtitle is not unwarranted, but subtitles and taglines aren't really that interchangeable, and when they are, I think it's the taglines that migrate towards subtitles more than the other way. Perhaps we should be discussing an appropriate subtitle as well (in which case, I'd be quite pleased by something like "Tales of the Void")

When I see "TALES OF THE VOID" I see

VegaStrike:TALES OF THE VOID

the same way I see
Red Alert 2:Yuri's Revenge

not as one sees
Alien
"In space no one can hear you scream"

Come to think of it, we probably should have a subtitle...

Post by **dandandaman** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:04 am

Come to think of it, it seems I was seeing TALES OF THE VOID more of a subtitle.

But I think in our case, a subtitile and a tagline are mutually exclusive. At least, "TALES OF THE VOID" and "The Void Beckons" are not completely harmonious. "It Beckons" however fits nicely, and I rather like the ambiguity introduced.

Before success must come survival
VegaStrike : TALES OF THE VOID
"It Beckons"

That said, I appreciate that I may have just bastardised something that took you or hellcat hours to get perfect, and I still prefer mine, but this is still an improvement (again, in my opinion).

Dan.a

charlieg · Post by **charlieg** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:23 am

Pilot, are you ready?
VegaStrike
Intergalactic Adventure

Space Pirate · Post by **Space Pirate** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:34 am

I prefer:

VegaStrike : JOURNEY INTO THE VOID
Fight. Trade. Explore. WIN.

T h e v o i d b e c k o n s...

CubOfJudahsLion · Post by **CubOfJudahsLion** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:44 am

Brainstorming! Yay!

The path to greatness begins with survival
VEGA STRIKE: Legends of the Void
Feel the call.

Silverain · Post by **Silverain** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:05 am

Err... Is there a reason why we limit ourselves to one?

Post by **jackS** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:15 am

Silverain wrote:Err... Is there a reason why we limit ourselves to one?

Subtitles - yes, uniqueness is useful.

Tag-phrases, no, there's no need to limit ourselves to one - but the set that is chosen should be reasonably harmonious in message.

Post by **zaydana** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:43 am

I think I am in agreement with the general attitude that "VegaStrike: Tales of the Void" is probably the best actual title.

From a graphics designers point of view tho... generaly taglines look better under the logo, i.e.

Vega Strike: Tales of the Void
:tagline:

Also, since there are so many different taglines around, perhaps it would be a good idea to leave the actual tagline to the graphics designer? then if we have a competition or something, we can also judge the logo designs on the tagline content. Same thing with the layout, it would generally be a good idea to leave the layout of the logo to the designer's discetion, and judge it on whether it looks good how they do it.

Vega Strike: Tales of the Void gets my vote for title, tho.

Post by **jackS** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:45 pm

While we're in a brainstorming mood, here are some more titles, several of them clearly not original, some of which I post because I like them, some because they amuse me, some because... - try to find out which is which

:

VegaStrike: After the cradle

VegaStrike: Rimward of Eden

VegaStrike: Life During Wartime

VegaStrike: A Future History

VegaStrike and the art of spaceship repair

VegaStrike: Lies of the golden future

VegaStrike: Paradise never

VegaStrike: Tales of Humanity's Children

VegaStrike: All Quiet on the Spinward Front

VegaStrike: Studies in Darkness

VegaStrike: Studies in Darkness and Light

VegaStrike: Upon the Coldest Sea

VegaStrike: A Deepness on All Sides

VegaStrike: The Stars Are Also Pyres

VegaStrike: Pockets Lined with Broken Dreams

VegaStrike: Guns and Butter

VegaStrike: For a Few Credits More

VegaStrike: The Good, the Bad, and the Dodo

VegaStrike: The Heavens Themselves Afire

VegaStrike: Burdens of the past, mountains of the future

VegaStrike: And where in all this, Man?

VegaStrike: Amidst the memories of the fallen

VegaStrike: Prelude to Limbo

VegaStrike: Lives lived on shifting sand

VegaStrike: The mass of men, in unquiet desperation

VegaStrike: reductions to absurdity

VegaStrike: grains of sand and waves of time

VegaStrike: beyond the need for heroes

VegaStrike: beyond the time of heroes

VegaStrike: Another Word for Nothing Left to Lose

VegaStrike: Beachheads on Eternity

VegaStrike: Why the caged man sings

VegaStrike: The winter of our youth

VegaStrike: Gambles paid in blood

VegaStrike: Suitors of the dawnless dark

VegaStrike: To space betrothed

VegaStrike: Amidst the dance of war

VegaStrike: Between the feet of giants

VegaStrike: Life between the burning spheres

VegaStrike: Memories of Purgatory

VegaStrike: The Business of Existence

VegaStrike: Clash of the Species

VegaStrike: Time enough for struggle

VegaStrike: Lives of the invisibles

VegaStrike: Portraits of the invisibles

well, that's enough for tonight.

pontiac · Post by **pontiac** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:58 pm

Be prepared for
VEGASTRIKE
Endless possibilities

... which sums up Vegastrike quite well

Just my 2c
Pontiac

Halleck · Post by **Halleck** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:25 am

jackS wrote:VegaStrike: Upon the Coldest Sea

Ooh, I like that one. Is that original, or an allusion to something?

charlieg · Post by **charlieg** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 4:43 am

Remember jacks, quality not quantity. The only one worth mentioning is the one Halleck points out. Reading through the list, not a single one of the others is really suitable as a VS tagline. They're either (mostly) too abstract or (the rest) too crap.

You surely could have filtered the rest out yourself.

Post by **jackS** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 4:59 am

<upends bucket>

VegaStrike: Rime of the new mariner

VegaStrike: The Rendering (suggested by a co-worker as being both horrid and in the spirit of a White Wolf title, not that those two need be dissimilar properties)

VegaStrike: Dawn of Dominance

VegaStrike: The Age of Discord

VegaStrike: Here there be Dodos

VegaStrike: Beneath the Gilded Streets

VegaStrike: A poverty of purity

VegaStrike: Darkness in the New Enlightenment

VegaStrike: Stumbling Past the Veil of Peace

VegaStrike: The Age of Overcoming

VegaStrike: Plight of the Uncommon Man

VegaStrike: Dreams of Starlight Wrought

VegaStrike: How Green Was My Agro-world?

VegaStrike: Beyond all Horizons

VegaStrike: Humility's End

VegaStrike: Homeland Insecurity

VegaStrike: That Mastless Sail Upon Her

VegaStrike: On the Shoulders of Giants

VegaStrike: Dust in the Solar Wind

Post by **jackS** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 5:09 am

charlieg wrote:Reading through the list, not a single one of the others is really suitable as a VS tagline.

A) They aren't taglines, they're subtitles.
B) I think you took that post far too seriously - reread the top: "some of which I post because I like them, some because they amuse me". I will readily admit to having a sense of humor likely not shared by many - and these were posted less as particular suggestions than as phrases I found interesting. Some of them I do actually like, and think would make decent subtitles, but that wasn't the all-consuming purpose of the post - I mean, did you really think that "The Good, The Bad, and the Dodo" was intended as a serious suggestion?

Post by **dandandaman** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 5:11 am

VegaStrike and the art of spaceship repair

Actually, this sounds like a great title for the user guide

Dan.a

Post by **jackS** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 5:14 am

Halleck wrote:
jackS wrote:VegaStrike: Upon the Coldest Sea
Ooh, I like that one. Is that original, or an allusion to something?

Original, to the best of my knowledge.

Most of the borrowings, parodies, or other forms of allusions were made fairly blatantly, it's just a question of how obvious or obscure the reference source was. If you aren't familiar with the reference, it's obviously not as amusing

Then again, it may also be the case that if you aren't me, it's not as amusing

Post by **jackS** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:04 am

dandandaman wrote:
VegaStrike and the art of spaceship repair
Actually, this sounds like a great title for the user guide

Dan.a

A suggestion from PeteyG

PG: subtitle of the player's guide chapter on bars and fixers:
"the bars my destination"

<insert snare and rimshot sounds here>

but really - it's not a bad idea. not a bad idea at all

Halleck · Post by **Halleck** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:33 am

charlieg wrote:Remember jacks, quality not quantity. The only one worth mentioning is the one Halleck points out. Reading through the list, not a single one of the others is really suitable as a VS tagline. They're either (mostly) too abstract or (the rest) too crap.

You surely could have filtered the rest out yourself.

Hey, no need to give him crap about it. This is partly a brainstorming thread, and he was brainstorming. I see nothing wrong with that.

IxianMace · Post by **IxianMace** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:16 pm

dandandaman wrote:VegaStrike and the art of spaceship repair

Actually, this sounds like a great title for the user guide

Dan.a

I laughed when I first read that, due to the way it was worded. However I do agree that it would make a fitting title for the user guide, as players will no doubt often find that their ship is in need of repair. : )

It would be a humorous title, while still being practical for the guide, if not as the main title, then at least as a subtitle in one of the chapters/sections.

pontiac · Post by **pontiac** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:53 pm

dandandaman wrote:VegaStrike and the art of spaceship repair

Actually, this sounds like a great title for the user guide

Dan.a

Full ACK

JackS wrote:....
I mean, did you really think that "The Good, The Bad, and the Dodo" was intended as a serious suggestion?

Actually this would be a cool title for a strategy-guide or something similar

... so it could be taken at least 50% seriously.

Pontiac

charlieg · Post by **charlieg** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 3:35 pm

jackS wrote:I think you took that post far too seriously

I think I did too.

Sorry.

etheral walker · Post by **etheral walker** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 5:07 pm

what about Vegastrike: war over the galaxy?

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