Forsaken Relay Station ( now every body can make a station)
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Forsaken Relay Station ( now every body can make a station)
hello i wanted test my computer and i made a nice thing :
a new standard station is around 30 000 triangles :
And its made like a "Construction game" maybe 30 simplst mesh assembling and copy paste ( was less than 1500 triangles for begining)
if some body is interested for create a station i will post the Blend file+ the 4 map (you don't need to texture , you dont need to scult: just copy/past the different mesh-block it could be very different each time .....
and maybe is this method could be done i will create a "parcell" for each faction and every body with some knowledge in 3D software should be produce one or two high poly station
with this method :YOU don't need to be a texturer and you don't need to know how to scult and unwrap!! just like "tetris"
the negative point : no AO map and maybe but i m not so sure no Normal (nothing is symetrized just copy/past)
_with a same map and a same basic mesh you can become a Station creator_
and is wasn't so bad , the texturing is 5 minutes then i not sure is the color is good:
a new standard station is around 30 000 triangles :
And its made like a "Construction game" maybe 30 simplst mesh assembling and copy paste ( was less than 1500 triangles for begining)
if some body is interested for create a station i will post the Blend file+ the 4 map (you don't need to texture , you dont need to scult: just copy/past the different mesh-block it could be very different each time .....
and maybe is this method could be done i will create a "parcell" for each faction and every body with some knowledge in 3D software should be produce one or two high poly station
with this method :YOU don't need to be a texturer and you don't need to know how to scult and unwrap!! just like "tetris"
the negative point : no AO map and maybe but i m not so sure no Normal (nothing is symetrized just copy/past)
_with a same map and a same basic mesh you can become a Station creator_
and is wasn't so bad , the texturing is 5 minutes then i not sure is the color is good:
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looks awesome but strikes me more as a multi-purpose station than just a comm relay. perhaps a forsaken commerce (or what passes for commerce) station?
i would expect a relay station to be tiny have a few windows and GIGANTIC antennas. maybe a couple satalite dishes. i'd say maybe take thatgive it one or two rows of solar panels and a small widowed section
i would expect a relay station to be tiny have a few windows and GIGANTIC antennas. maybe a couple satalite dishes. i'd say maybe take thatgive it one or two rows of solar panels and a small widowed section
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i would think that the built-in-pieces (modular) design would be alot more popular particulary with space stations. i'm really suprised we haven't seen more of this in VS. modular designs are very popular on this planet due to there ease and relatve cheapness of production. we should have more of this in VS.
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i said something along these lines before.. but in game.. would love to have 'chunks' of stations you can stick together in game through one means or another.. (add a bit of coding for 'link' points) and you could designate a certain part of a mesh as a generic link point... and anything else with a generic link point can be linked to that.. (might have aera link points. confed linkpoints.. so you cant mix and match station pieces..)
but anyhow.. im just thinking about X3 and station construction.
but anyhow.. im just thinking about X3 and station construction.
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It's all those solar panelsIt looks Tadpole-ish! Very Happy
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thank today i wanted know the limit of my compter for working on 3D
over 85 805 vertice my computer crush....( i m sorry )
then i did a nice station for test it :
this station look like little bit medieval for the space but if we could keep this style for forsaken it wasn't so bad : "later medieval style" with (because they are human) symetrical and modularity :
i did some screen shot of this new base:
and the landing point between the "square"
Nota bene: all the componement was Exactly than the first one before
and same reflexion about the texturing i need to improve the diffuse first and will make th set
thank
over 85 805 vertice my computer crush....( i m sorry )
then i did a nice station for test it :
this station look like little bit medieval for the space but if we could keep this style for forsaken it wasn't so bad : "later medieval style" with (because they are human) symetrical and modularity :
i did some screen shot of this new base:
and the landing point between the "square"
Nota bene: all the componement was Exactly than the first one before
and same reflexion about the texturing i need to improve the diffuse first and will make th set
thank
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wow. very nice. I'd love to see that station in VS if it wasnt for the massivly high poly count.
My only critique would be you have waaay waaay too many windows. I know this is just more of a concept idea but at least from what i have read about the forsaken and the descriptions sightseeing ports would be maybe 1/10th of that. but enough of my nit-picking.
My only critique would be you have waaay waaay too many windows. I know this is just more of a concept idea but at least from what i have read about the forsaken and the descriptions sightseeing ports would be maybe 1/10th of that. but enough of my nit-picking.
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WOW! This is EXCELLENT, Fendorin!
There's a way to get around the AO baking problem: If you have a large array of equal things, like the solar panels, you can make 9 similar obj's: One for the left row, one for the right, one for the top, one for the bottom, four more for the four corners, and all the inner ones can be one and the same kind.
Then all 9 submeshes call for the same set of textures, except for different AO's.
There's a way to get around the AO baking problem: If you have a large array of equal things, like the solar panels, you can make 9 similar obj's: One for the left row, one for the right, one for the top, one for the bottom, four more for the four corners, and all the inner ones can be one and the same kind.
Then all 9 submeshes call for the same set of textures, except for different AO's.
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Now, THAT is one mesh whose poly count you need to worry about...Deus Siddis wrote:Is there a collision mesh(s) for this?
The collision mesh IS the shield mesh, I think I remember reading somewhere.
It should indeed be very low poly, as collisions are computed in code, by the cpu.
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IIRC, The collision mesh defaults to the model mesh if not specified. You can specify any mesh you want as the collision mesh. The shield mesh is treated as an optional mesh (it will default to a sphere if not specified), and the collision routines do not rely on a shield mesh being specified, as the collisions are checked against whatever is specified by the collision mesh, not against the shield mesh -- if memory serves me, the shield mesh is there as a graphical entity only. As things currently stand, if the shield mesh was used as the collision mesh, you probably wouldn't be able to dock to most models.
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Ah, good to know. I bet VS must have pretty darn fast code for collisions, then! Full mesh?!!!
Not being able to dock would be problematic, indeed.
I'm almost tempted to try and make shield meshes with depressions at docking areas and make them serve as collision meshes; but maybe not... If the collision code is THAT good, might as well take advantage of it.
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Fendorin, I keep looking at this station and I want to say it again, it's AWSOME. Not just because it's more complex, but also artistically, it evokes a mixture of oriental, medieval and high tech styles that makes it a floating enigma. Plus, the greebles look purposeful. I think this will be the mother of all VS stations.
Don't forget about keeping the number of vertices per mesh object under 10,000; so if it's 30,000, be sure to split it into 3 separate .obj's minimum.
Not being able to dock would be problematic, indeed.
I'm almost tempted to try and make shield meshes with depressions at docking areas and make them serve as collision meshes; but maybe not... If the collision code is THAT good, might as well take advantage of it.
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Fendorin, I keep looking at this station and I want to say it again, it's AWSOME. Not just because it's more complex, but also artistically, it evokes a mixture of oriental, medieval and high tech styles that makes it a floating enigma. Plus, the greebles look purposeful. I think this will be the mother of all VS stations.
Don't forget about keeping the number of vertices per mesh object under 10,000; so if it's 30,000, be sure to split it into 3 separate .obj's minimum.
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Stylistically speaking, I'd prefer to make something like this
A) a unique station, found only in 1 location
B) have that location be in orbit around Earth
C) have its initial construction take place in the late pre-FTL period
D) tack on a handful of clearly stylistically incongruous additions to represent some of the components added or altered over the history of the station
A) a unique station, found only in 1 location
B) have that location be in orbit around Earth
C) have its initial construction take place in the late pre-FTL period
D) tack on a handful of clearly stylistically incongruous additions to represent some of the components added or altered over the history of the station
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Nice! Don't forget dockings. Preferably distinct dockings for large and small ships. Also, repeating a mesh is good, but there should be some non-repeating detail; say a bunch of cables or flexible conduit connecting each of the boxes to the main structure, and this hose bending with a slightly different shape each time, would give the illusion that every box is different.
Be sure to unwrap the corner boxes separately, then one generic unwrap for each side, so they can have distinct AO bakes, like,
So, all the "e" boxes can share one UV island; and all the "f" boxes can share one UV island. 6 box unwraps in total.
Be sure to unwrap the corner boxes separately, then one generic unwrap for each side, so they can have distinct AO bakes, like,
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. Also, repeating a mesh is good, but there should be some non-repeating detail; say a bunch of cables or flexible conduit connecting each of the boxes to the main structure, and this hose bending with a slightly different shape each time, would give the illusion that every box is different.
it was just a rough
and for modularity is normal it's because the kind of Construction need modularity componment: show this picture the station is prefab in Trantor planet and assembling some part of times in young system like that:
The crew of this ship is calling their ship "the envils flying"
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You know, I've made it a habit of looking for Fendorin's posts when I'm cruising the artwork section. I really like your models, you put a lot of thought into them while you're shaping them, and I really admire that.
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Those stations look excellent! Congratulations for the good job.
As I am running out of stations to integrate, it would be good to post a mixed design of elements as an old relay station around the solar system, as jackS suggested.
As I am running out of stations to integrate, it would be good to post a mixed design of elements as an old relay station around the solar system, as jackS suggested.
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Re: Forsaken Relay Station ( now every body can make a station)
i will post soon but i need more texturation and i want provide twice "mesh" the one i post should(i hope) be the final and yes untill i finish other "sparse pieces sets" i will make a huge-pré/post-over-stick-FTL-multi-species-station (ouff...) but for the moment tryed to discover the "animation" tools in Blender then i did a little movie "in approching+landing"
DivShare File - Forsaken_commerces_center.avi
it' s a blender movie not ingame movie and is more a WIP Than a final models
and for download for use in your blog: (@CharlieG) (if you want)
http://www.divshare.com/download/5608790-592
DivShare File - Forsaken_commerces_center.avi
it' s a blender movie not ingame movie and is more a WIP Than a final models
and for download for use in your blog: (@CharlieG) (if you want)
http://www.divshare.com/download/5608790-592
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Re: Forsaken Relay Station ( now every body can make a station)
Looks good Fendorin - perhaps you could provide some more of your other (especially R'laan) bases?
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Re: Forsaken Relay Station ( now every body can make a station)
i will try but for be honest isn't my first task on my todo list ( but something like ad/trailer isn't a stupid target.)
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