Old Derivative

STEVE555 · Post by **STEVE555** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:43 pm

Hi all,
I want to ask if there is a way to get the old design of the Derivative vessel back? I mean I don't want to cause offence to the designer of the new Derivative vessel,but I just personally liked flying around the Vegastrike universe in the old design.

Regards,
Steve555

Post by **klauss** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:18 pm

Browsing the SVN history should manage that.

STEVE555 · Post by **STEVE555** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:32 am

Hi there Klauss,
Thank you for the reply. I'm still a bit clueless on where to find the old design of the derivative. I've had a quick look at the svn history that gets displayed on the Vegastrike main page,but I couldn't really see anything.

Regards,
Steve555

Post by **loki1950** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:47 am

Hi STEVE555
try browsing this : http://vegastrike.svn.sourceforge.net/v ... egastrike/ you should be able to find all the relevant files there if you need more info just post.

Enjoy the Choice

STEVE555 · Post by **STEVE555** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:26 am

Hi there Loki1950,
Long time no see, it's good to meet you again. I've had a look through the link and I can't find the old Derivative model.

Regards,
STEVE555

Post by **klauss** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:06 am

STEVE555 wrote:Hi there Loki1950,
Long time no see, it's good to meet you again. I've had a look through the link and I can't find the old Derivative model.

Granted, the web interface is awful.

But you can go to the release tags, and you'll find it in the 4.x releases.

STEVE555 · Post by **STEVE555** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:39 am

Hi there Klauss,
Thank you very much for the link. I've downloaded the old derivative model and extrated it to /data/units/vessels.
The trouble is Vegastrike will refuse to load the old model:

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[steve@mernivia data]$ ./vegastrike
Registering codec ogg.
 In path /home/steve/VegaStrike/vegastrike
Vega Strike  
See http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html for license details.

GOT SUBDIR ARG = 
Found data in /home/steve/VegaStrike/data
Using /home/steve/VegaStrike/data as data directory
Using .vegastrike as the home directory
Found MODDIR = /home/steve/VegaStrike/data/mods
USING HOMEDIR : /home/steve/.vegastrike As the home directory 
CONFIGFILE - Found a config file in home directory, using : /home/steve/.vegastrike/vegastrike.config
DATADIR - No datadir specified in config file, using ; /home/steve/VegaStrike/data
SIMULATION_ATOM: 0.05
MISSION_NAME is empty using : main_menu.mission
Attempt to call ReadFull on a bad file units.csv -1 /home/steve/VegaStrike/data/units/units.csv
running import sys
print sys.path
sys.path = [r"/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/modules/builtin",r"/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/modules/quests",r"/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/modules/missions",r"/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/modules/ai",r"/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/modules",r"/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/bases"] + sys.path
['/usr/lib64/python27.zip', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-tk', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-old', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-dynload']
testing VS randomrunning import sys
print sys.path
['/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/modules/builtin', '/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/modules/quests', '/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/modules/missions', '/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/modules/ai', '/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/modules', '/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/bases', '/usr/lib64/python27.zip', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-tk', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-old', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-dynload']
Creating scene manager...
Creating template manager...
  Initializing renderer...
0 joysticks were found.

The names of the joysticks are:
FactionXML:LoadXML factions.xml
using NV_CUBE_MAP
Min (0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000) Max(0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000) MinLumin 1.000000, MaxLumin 1.000000Read In Star Count 0 used: 2000
Min (0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000) Max(0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000) MinLumin 1.000000, MaxLumin 1.000000Read In Star Count 0 used: 38
Loading a starsystem
Loading Star System Special/Empty
FOUND MODIFICATION = player FOR PLAYER #0
CREATING A LOCAL SHIP : dumbfire                                                                                                                                                                               
Hi helper play 0                                                                                                                                                                                               
HereInitializing optimizer                                                                                                                                                                                     
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Compilation of technique 5_ps3.0/default_simple successful                                                                                                                                                     
pox 119990000000.000000 -9000000.000000 -109990000000.000000                                                                                                                                                   
CreateVideoTexture could not find preintro.ogv                                                                                                                                                                 
INFO: Missing video stream preintro.ogv                                                                                                                                                                        
CreateVideoTexture could not find intro.ogv                                                                                                                                                                    
INFO: Missing video stream intro.ogv                                                                                                                                                                           
Force feedback support disabled when compiled                                                                                                                                                                  
Loading completed, now network init                                                                                                                                                                            
Loading active missions True                                                                                                                                                                                   
  IS NOW AT  Special/Empty                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Launching bases for Special/Empty                                                                                                                                                                              
Adding news                                                                                                                                                                                                    
conditioning
nonzeroing
New selection: 0
Found ship named : Determinant.stock
Found ship named : Convolution.milspec
Found ship named : Crucible/Stirling@Base:Fighter_Barracks:4
Faction not found assigning default one: privateer
Read stardate: 0.0006:001
Creating planet Stirling A with texture stars/white_star.texture and technique  - unitlevel <= 2
Creating planet Ernest with texture planets/Lava.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Jump_To_Cardell with texture jump.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Jump_To_17-ar with texture jump.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Berman with texture planets/Lava.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Jump_To_Exile with texture jump.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Jump_To_Bernards_star with texture jump.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Jump_To_Maat with texture jump.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Rembrandt with texture planets/gas_midget.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Sikkimese with texture planets/rock1.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Jump_To_Enyo with texture jump.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Jump_To_Agea with texture jump.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Jump_To_Cephid_17 with texture jump.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Jump_To_Everett with texture jump.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
using NV_CUBE_MAP
Min (0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000) Max(0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000) MinLumin 1.000000, MaxLumin 1.000000Read In Star Count 0 used: 2000
Min (0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000) Max(0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000) MinLumin 1.000000, MaxLumin 1.000000Read In Star Count 0 used: 38
Loading a starsystem
Loading Star System Crucible/Stirling
 Next To: Crucible/Enyo
 Next To: Crucible/Exile
 Next To: Crucible/Cardell
 Next To: Crucible/Cephid_17
 Next To: Crucible/Everett
 Next To: Crucible/Agea
 Next To: Crucible/Maat
 Next To: Redemption/Bernards_star
 Next To: Crucible/17-ar
Loading active missions True
#
import mission_lib
mission_lib.SetMissionHookArgs({'ACCEPT_MESSAGE': 'Thank you. Your help makes space a safer place.', 'MISSION_TYPE': 'ATTACK', 'MISSION_ID': '0', 'MISSION_NAME': 'Patrol_6_Points_in_Azzahbtk', 'MISSION_SHORTDESC': 'Patrol/Patrol_6_Points_in_Azzahbtk', 'DESCRIPTION': 'Authorities would like a detailed scan of the Azzahbtk system. We require 6 nav locations be visited on the scanning route. The pay for this mission is 260526. Encounters with confed forces likely.'})
#F#bases/fixers/confed.spr#Talk to the Confed Officer#Thank you. Your help makes space a safer place.#
import patrol_enemies
temp=patrol_enemies.patrol_enemies(0, 6, 1000, 260526, ['Redemption/Bernards_star', 'Crucible/Stirling', 'Crucible/Enyo', 'Crucible/Pandey', 'Bribztkaber/Azzahbtk'],'',2,2,0.842165,0.000000,'confed',0)
temp=0
warning: Unknown tag: python
Special/Empty  IS NOW AT  Crucible/Stirling
Special
Showing splash screen!
Launching bases for Crucible/Stirling
Unit file engine00 not found
Cannot Open Mesh File Derivative.bfxm
Cannot Open Mesh File Derivative_shield.bfxm
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[steve@mernivia data]$ ./vegastrike
Registering codec ogg.
 In path /home/steve/VegaStrike/vegastrike
Vega Strike  
See http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html for license details.

GOT SUBDIR ARG = 
Found data in /home/steve/VegaStrike/data
Using /home/steve/VegaStrike/data as data directory
Using .vegastrike as the home directory
Found MODDIR = /home/steve/VegaStrike/data/mods
USING HOMEDIR : /home/steve/.vegastrike As the home directory 
CONFIGFILE - Found a config file in home directory, using : /home/steve/.vegastrike/vegastrike.config
DATADIR - No datadir specified in config file, using ; /home/steve/VegaStrike/data
SIMULATION_ATOM: 0.05
MISSION_NAME is empty using : main_menu.mission
Attempt to call ReadFull on a bad file units.csv -1 /home/steve/VegaStrike/data/units/units.csv
running import sys
print sys.path
sys.path = [r"/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/modules/builtin",r"/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/modules/quests",r"/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/modules/missions",r"/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/modules/ai",r"/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/modules",r"/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/bases"] + sys.path
['/usr/lib64/python27.zip', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-tk', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-old', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-dynload']
testing VS randomrunning import sys
print sys.path
['/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/modules/builtin', '/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/modules/quests', '/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/modules/missions', '/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/modules/ai', '/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/modules', '/home/steve/VegaStrike/data/bases', '/usr/lib64/python27.zip', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-tk', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-old', '/usr/lib64/python2.7/lib-dynload']
Creating scene manager...
Creating template manager...
  Initializing renderer...
0 joysticks were found.

The names of the joysticks are:
FactionXML:LoadXML factions.xml
using NV_CUBE_MAP
Min (0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000) Max(0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000) MinLumin 1.000000, MaxLumin 1.000000Read In Star Count 0 used: 2000
Min (0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000) Max(0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000) MinLumin 1.000000, MaxLumin 1.000000Read In Star Count 0 used: 38
Loading a starsystem
Loading Star System Special/Empty
FOUND MODIFICATION = player FOR PLAYER #0
CREATING A LOCAL SHIP : dumbfire
Hi helper play 0
HereInitializing optimizer
Compilation of technique fixed successful
Compilation of technique 5_ps3.0/default successful
Compilation of technique 5_ps3.0/default_simple successful
pox 119990000000.000000 -9000000.000000 -109990000000.000000
CreateVideoTexture could not find preintro.ogv
INFO: Missing video stream preintro.ogv
CreateVideoTexture could not find intro.ogv
INFO: Missing video stream intro.ogv
Force feedback support disabled when compiled
Loading completed, now network init
Loading active missions True
  IS NOW AT  Special/Empty

Launching bases for Special/Empty
Adding news
conditioning
nonzeroing
New selection: 0
Found ship named : Determinant.stock
Found ship named : Convolution.milspec
Found ship named : Crucible/Stirling@Base:Fighter_Barracks:4
Faction not found assigning default one: privateer
Read stardate: 0.0006:001
Creating planet Stirling A with texture stars/white_star.texture and technique  - unitlevel <= 2
Creating planet Ernest with texture planets/Lava.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Jump_To_Cardell with texture jump.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Jump_To_17-ar with texture jump.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Berman with texture planets/Lava.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Jump_To_Exile with texture jump.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Jump_To_Bernards_star with texture jump.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Jump_To_Maat with texture jump.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Rembrandt with texture planets/gas_midget.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Sikkimese with texture planets/rock1.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Jump_To_Enyo with texture jump.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Jump_To_Agea with texture jump.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Jump_To_Cephid_17 with texture jump.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
Creating planet Jump_To_Everett with texture jump.texture and technique  - unitlevel > 2
using NV_CUBE_MAP
Min (0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000) Max(0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000) MinLumin 1.000000, MaxLumin 1.000000Read In Star Count 0 used: 2000
Min (0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000) Max(0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000) MinLumin 1.000000, MaxLumin 1.000000Read In Star Count 0 used: 38
Loading a starsystem
Loading Star System Crucible/Stirling
 Next To: Crucible/Enyo
 Next To: Crucible/Exile
 Next To: Crucible/Cardell
 Next To: Crucible/Cephid_17
 Next To: Crucible/Everett
 Next To: Crucible/Agea
 Next To: Crucible/Maat
 Next To: Redemption/Bernards_star
 Next To: Crucible/17-ar
Loading active missions True
#
import mission_lib
mission_lib.SetMissionHookArgs({'ACCEPT_MESSAGE': 'Thank you. Your help makes space a safer place.', 'MISSION_TYPE': 'ATTACK', 'MISSION_ID': '0', 'MISSION_NAME': 'Patrol_6_Points_in_Azzahbtk', 'MISSION_SHORTDESC': 'Patrol/Patrol_6_Points_in_Azzahbtk', 'DESCRIPTION': 'Authorities would like a detailed scan of the Azzahbtk system. We require 6 nav locations be visited on the scanning route. The pay for this mission is 260526. Encounters with confed forces likely.'})
#F#bases/fixers/confed.spr#Talk to the Confed Officer#Thank you. Your help makes space a safer place.#
import patrol_enemies
temp=patrol_enemies.patrol_enemies(0, 6, 1000, 260526, ['Redemption/Bernards_star', 'Crucible/Stirling', 'Crucible/Enyo', 'Crucible/Pandey', 'Bribztkaber/Azzahbtk'],'',2,2,0.842165,0.000000,'confed',0)
temp=0
warning: Unknown tag: python
Special/Empty  IS NOW AT  Crucible/Stirling
Special
Showing splash screen!
Launching bases for Crucible/Stirling
Unit file engine00 not found
Cannot Open Mesh File Derivative.bfxm
Cannot Open Mesh File Derivative_shield.bfxm
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

I've renamed the new Derivative model as a .old and tried to copy what was in the new model folder to the old derivative model. I also did a fresh re-compile to make sure the code found the new addition.

I hope someone can help me.
Regards,
STEVE555

TBeholder · Post by **TBeholder** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:07 am

STEVE555 wrote:and tried to copy what was in the new model folder to the old derivative model.

No idea, but if it have "derivative/derivative" and can't find "Derivative/Derivative", try to rename case-sensitively?

STEVE555 wrote:I also did a fresh re-compile to make sure the code found the new addition.

What for? It's data. I'd understand deleting contents of .vegastrike/generatedbsp cache (if any)...

Post by **loki1950** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:50 pm

The only other file that should need changing is units.csv all references to the derivative would need to be changed.

Enjoy the Choice

STEVE555 · Post by **STEVE555** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:21 am

Hi all,
I've followed Loki1950's advice and edited the units.csv file to include the old derivative model.
Something has gone wrong though,when I load vegastrike, the original derivative ship doesn't appear,or the outposts and other models.

My units.csv is attached to this post.

Regards,
Steve555

STEVE555 · Post by **STEVE555** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:45 am

I really need some help if someone can. It is just driving me nuts on how to solve it.
I have attached a screenshot and the error messages that have appeared since I've attempted to edit the units.csv file.

Regards,
STEVE555

Post by **klauss** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:25 am

You can't change the name (key) of the unit in units.csv. If you do, all the mission and universe scripts will error out.

You have to maintain the original key ("Derivative" with a capital D) and just change the reference to the bfxm file.

STEVE555 · Post by **STEVE555** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:55 am

Ah I see Klauss,
Thank you very much for the advice. I have downloaded a fresh copy of the units.csv file,as the one I've been editing is totally messed up!
So shall I make a new entry for the old derivative model? or shal I insert a duplicate entry in between the new Derivative model?

Regards,
STEVE555

Post by **klauss** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:39 am

I assumed you wanted to replace the new Derivative with the old. In that case, in the entry for the "Derivative" just change the "Derivative.bfxm" to point to the old one.

If you want to add it, it would be more involved.

TBeholder · Post by **TBeholder** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:24 am

I just unpacked into .../units/vessels/Derivetive then renamed bfxm and spr files to Derivative.bfxm and Derivative-hud.spr - and it loads correctly.

STEVE555 · Post by **STEVE555** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:29 am

Hi all,
I had done a replace of the new derivative to the old one,and renamed quite a few files to "Derivative" The trouble is, Vegastrike is getting stuck on loading watsonGLO.jpg and it comes out with these errors:

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import mission_lib
mission_lib.SetMissionHookArgs({'ACCEPT_MESSAGE': 'Thank you. Your help makes space a safer place.', 'MISSION_TYPE': 'ATTACK', 'MISSION_ID': '0', 'MISSION_NAME': 'Patrol_6_Points_in_Azzahbtk', 'MISSION_SHORTDESC': 'Patrol/Patrol_6_Points_in_Azzahbtk', 'DESCRIPTION': 'Authorities would like a detailed scan of the Azzahbtk system. We require 6 nav locations be visited on the scanning route. The pay for this mission is 260526. Encounters with confed forces likely.'})
#F#bases/fixers/confed.spr#Talk to the Confed Officer#Thank you. Your help makes space a safer place.#
import patrol_enemies
temp=patrol_enemies.patrol_enemies(0, 6, 1000, 260526, ['Redemption/Bernards_star', 'Crucible/Stirling', 'Crucible/Enyo', 'Crucible/Pandey', 'Bribztkaber/Azzahbtk'],'',2,2,0.842165,0.000000,'confed',0)
temp=0
warning: Unknown tag: python
Special/Empty  IS NOW AT  Crucible/Stirling
Special
Showing splash screen!
Launching bases for Crucible/Stirling
Unit file engine00 not found
Unknown element start tag 'head' detected
Unknown element start tag 'title' detected
Unknown element end tag 'title' detected
Unknown element start tag 'meta' detected
Unknown element end tag 'meta' detected
Unknown element start tag 'meta' detected
Unknown element end tag 'meta' detected
Unknown element start tag 'meta' detected
Unknown element end tag 'meta' detected
Unknown element start tag 'meta' detected
Unknown element end tag 'meta' detected
Unknown element start tag 'title' detected
Unknown element end tag 'title' detected
Unknown element start tag 'link' detected
Unknown element end tag 'link' detected
Unknown element start tag 'link' detected
Unknown element end tag 'link' detected
Unknown element start tag 'style' detected
Unknown element end tag 'style' detected
Unknown element start tag 'script' detected
Unknown element end tag 'script' detected
Unknown element start tag 'script' detected
Unknown element end tag 'script' detected
Unknown element start tag 'script' detected
Unknown element end tag 'script' detected
Unknown element end tag 'head' detected
Warning: mesh load possibly failed

Regards,
STEVE555

Post by **klauss** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:27 pm

You accidentally messed some xml file (replaced it with an html file).

TBeholder · Post by **TBeholder** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:27 pm

STEVE555 wrote:Hi all,
I had done a replace of the new derivative to the old one,and renamed quite a few files to "Derivative" The trouble is, Vegastrike is getting stuck on loading watsonGLO.jpg and it comes out with these errors:

<sigh> files refer to each other. Try to check whether it works with the old one and then start with what works for me? Three renames, the first letter in uppercase. Then try to modify it further.

STEVE555 · Post by **STEVE555** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:59 pm

Hi all,
I want to thank everybody trying to help me out. I am almost there from everybody's advice. The old Derivative model is showing as white (screenshots will be attached).
I want to apologize for the confusion of trying to add the model instead of just replacing the new Derivative model for the old one

Regards,
STEVE555

Post by **klauss** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:05 pm

I'm guessing it cannot find the texture files. Why, I cannot guess.

STEVE555 · Post by **STEVE555** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:15 am

Hi there Klauss Tbeholder,
I've fianlly managed to get the old Derivative model working now,it works great! thank you again for all your help.

Regards,
STEVE555

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